seem that the only plausible motive for the otherwise incomprehensible policy of starv¬ing millions of people to death in peacetime was to break them as a national organism.

I think that this pretty well sums up where we are in terms of our documentary re¬search. If there is anything we should talk about in order to touch on that. I suggest we do so at this point and then move on to curriculum affairs.

Dr. KUROPAS: Jim, is there anything in any of this that is dramatically different from what has been researched thus far, in terms of the work that you did with Dr. Robert Conquest and any other documentary research?

Dr. MACE: Yes. Most of this material from the Ukrainian press was not really used in Bob Conquest’s book, and what I think it does is really tie down what the authorities in the Ukrainian S.S.R, were doing.

I have just gotten a note which you may be pleased to hear. There is no one after us in this room, so we can actually stay until we get hungry ourselves.

But, no, most of this material has not been published in any form, and I think it’s—

Dr. KUROPAS: So that, when we publish our report, and this is incorporated in the report, this will be the first time that the scholarly world will have seen this?

Dr. MACE: Right

Mr. MARCHISHIN: And, it would seem to counteract some of the criticisms that Ive read, at least in The New York Times, that his book was based primarily on Uk¬rainian emigre sources, rather than other authoritative sources. I mean, if this kind of documentation from the Soviet Ukrainian press documents what was actually going on, it more or less completely supports the theme that we’ve been aware of all along, that it was perpetrated against the population by the Central authorities in order to eliminate the Ukrainian national identity.

Dr. MACE: Yes. It’s really extremely important stuff in the sense that we do now have top officials in the Ukrainian S.S.R., particulary, in this period of February 1933, saying, go out and kick some backsides. Go out and take more grain. The class enemies are saying that there is no grain there. People in the districts are saying there is no grain. They are all class enemies. You go out and do it, no excuses.

And, this is precisely what both Postyshev and Kossior were stating in February 1933. I think it is a very important piece of evidence.

At this point, should we move on to curriculum affairs, and with that, I think I’ll sit back and let Dr. Kuropas speak about the issue that he’s been most intimately in¬volved with.

Dr. WERES: Excuse me. Since we are, you are, in effect, touching upon the ques¬tion of
agenda, I agree to move on to curricular affairs, but maybe this is the ap¬propriate—at this meeting after the curriculum discussion, to discuss what we are going to have in the way of the deliverables, the structure of the final report, a quick outline of what the significant things are, you know, like you’ve just emphasized the Ukrainian press documents, possibilities for scholarly publications, possibilities of dis¬tilling things into curriculum materials. We’re halfway through it, and it’s about time to start thinking about winding up and publishing, so I think this should be discussed. Dr. MACE: Well, I can very briefly go over that right now with you. Dr. WERES: Well, I don’t want to interrupt. Myron is getting impatient, but let’s put it on the agenda after we’re done with the curriculum.
Dr. MACE: Okay, great