Mr. MARCHISHIN: Are there any questions?
Yes.
Dr. KUROPAS: I have two questions. You mentioned that the Commission was empowered to solicit and accept funds and services. Do you think there will be time today to discuss that a
little more fully as a separate item?
Dr.MACE: That is Item 6 of this or Item 5. Excuse me.
Dr. WERES: Mr. Chairman, is this the time to discuss scope of work of the Com¬mission or should we defer that until the reading of the draft?
Dr. MACE: I think this is a good time to start it
Mr. MARCHISHIN: Yes, I think it’s come up, and rather than read through the whole memorandum and then come back, I think if we have questions one-by-one, we
should consider them.
Dr. WERES: Okay. I appreciate the Chairman’s point that establishing historicity of a famine is a major matter that we need to attend to, but I’m not convinced that cur¬riculum development or propagation of those curriculum materials in various states is something that should be expected to wait until the question of historicity is resolved.

What we’re doing in the historicity department will be, in large extent, the collec¬tion, compilation of raw data and materials like that will take literally years until they’ve made an impact on the scholarly literature, let alone until they filter down to where the public is aware of them.

Meanwhile, for example, in California we right now—the Department of Education has a committee on developing a holocaust and genocide curriculum unit. The com¬mittee is working right now. We need those inputs right now.

I don’t believe that there’s any reasonable way we can wait for the basic historical research that’s going to come out of this Commission eventually.

In terms of what it takes to convince state departments of education, I think there’s a lot of basic lobbying work that’s done, and we can take care of that in California, but we do not have the capability in California of producing actual curriculum materials.

I would ask that Dr. Mace make if not the first priority, then a priority equal to the basic historical research preparation of the materials we need in California and other states, and begin by first collecting materials that are produced in other states, basical¬ly having the Commission serve as a central repository for all of these matters and making them available to Commissioners, other interested cooperating parties in various states, and that that should get underway immediately.

Another thing that would be useful quickly in regard to convincing people that it happened, I think the best we can really do is point to the published literature, like Dr. Conquest’s forthcoming book, and also the documentary, those made in Canada. I think at that level it will work.

One thing that the Commission could provide in that direction is videotape tes¬timony as soon as that becomes available.

Dr. MACE: That’s perfectly feasible.

If I may speak for the Chairman, he was not suggesting in any way that efforts to get the famine into the curriculum wait or in any sense take a back seat. In fact, I have spoken to him about this, and he favors that very strongly.

However, we should realize that the Commission give us opportunities to reinforce efforts toward getting it into the curriculum not only by trying to lobby for that, but by