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Members of the Commission on the Ukraine Famine.............................ii
Table of Contents iii
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COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: SENATOR DENNIS DeCONCINI, Chairman MS. ULANA MAZURKEVICH, DR. OLEH WERES OTHERS PRESENT: DR. JAMES E. MACE, Staff Director DR. OLGA SAMILENKO-TSVETKOV, Staff Assistant and Interpreter/Translator WITNESSES PRESENT: MR. MYKOLA KOSTYRKO , MR. IVAN KASHANENKO, MR. OLEKSANDER MERKELO, MR. OLEKSIY KEIS, MS. A. BUTKOVSKA, MS. ANNAS.
PROCEEDINGS Senator DeCONCINI: Ladies and Gentlemen, the Commission on the Ukraine Famine will conduct a hearing at this time. On my right is Commissioner Ulana Mazurkevich, who is from Philadelphia and has joined us today for testimony, and I will defer to her in just a moment for any state¬ment that she has. On my [...]
called it genocide. It was his definition that was incorporated into the International Genocide Convention. That convention has been ratified by the Soviet Union, the United States, and many other countries. The Ukrainian Famine presents almost a textbook case of such collective victimization. There was great lack of public awareness of exactly what took place [...]
of the Ukrainian people and the history of humanity. In doing so you will help prevent recurrences of the famine. I would also like to thank the many people who have volunteered to help make this possible: the Ukrainian Orthodox Parish; the Ukrainian National Women’s League of America; Ukrainian-American Coordinating Committee; Americans for Human Rights [...]
police were unable to quell this revolt A detachment of the N.K.V.D, was sent out to put down the revolt How many peasants were killed on the spot, I don’t know; but every day, toward the evening, I went down to the railroad depot, and, with an aching heart, observed as groups of peasants from [...]
Police were stationed around these streets and did not admit people who were poorly dressed or had shabby-looking vehicles. I walked along the main street and was amazed to see that the storefront windows were full of all sorts of merchandise. In those days all the stores were empty, and one could buy only poor [...]
I witnessed yet another tragic phenomenon. Starving mothers brought their children into the city and left them on the streets, hoping that they would be saved if someone picked them up. There was a pediatric clinic not far from the place where I lived. On my way to work I passed by this clinic. During [...]
After that, they waited for the arrival of a group of American farmers, who had been invited to observe the ‘attainments of the new life of the Ukrainian peasant. They were brought to that village because the experimental field of a seeding station was located nearby. The farmers were greeted by twenty or so well-dressed [...]
Mr. KOSTYRKO: You didn’t have any possibility to ask somebody what was the state of the world. Some people, communist people, but very good people, told me this is very tragic story, but we can nothing to do about it. I heard from my relative in Moseow-I told ray relative and he could do nothing. [...]
behind a wife and three children. They took absolutely everything: cows, pigs, every¬thing. There was nothing left for the wife to do. She sent her children away to fend for themselves, set fire to the house, and hanged herself. Things were a little different in ray family. My father was always on the run during [...]
acquaintances. His name was Ivan Ostapenko. His mother put a noose around his neck and tried to strangle him, but he was stronger than she was and managed to break her hold But he kept the marks the ropes left on his throat for a long time. I went to another neighbor’s house. They were [...]
Senator DeCONCINI: Thank you very much. Mr. Kasiianenko, you indicated that your father was on the run. Was he considered an enemy of the State? What caused him to be chased all the time? Mr. KASIIANENKO: Yes. Yes. Senator DeCONCINI: Why? Mr. KASIIANENKO: Because they called us kulaks. He used to belong to a cor-poration-a [...]
TESTIMONY OF MR. OLEKSANDER MERKELO I don’t know what life was like in the Ukraine before the revolution, because in 1917 was only four years old. I remember the first years after the revolution and the period of the Civil War (1920-22) well, because I was already going to school at the time. Countless farms [...]
Until 1926-27, the Church also had been functioning normally, but from that time on, the clergy was persecuted and anti-religious propaganda flourished. Kulaks and ‘N.E.P.-men’ were stripped of their voting rights and the doors of educa¬tional institutions were dosed to their children. As a sixteen-year-old boy, this attitude of the government toward the hard-working peasantry [...]
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On the seventh of August 1932, a law was passed concerning the theft of state property. This pertained to those collective farm workers who gathered up Men ears of wheat, or potatoes, on the collective fields after the reaping. There were instances when, (or a few gleanings, someone was sentenced to several years in prison [...]
Still in my youth, I discerned from my own life and the lives of the collective farmers, and with my own intuition, that all these deeds were part of a planned crime against the Ukrainian people. The propaganda in the press read like a mockery of humanity. I once had an opportunity to have a [...]
TESTIMONY OF MR. OLEKSIY KEIS OF SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA I was born in 1912 on a farmstead (khutir) called Sad, located in the Donets River Basin, the Donbas. My parents were well-off peasants, and during the New Economic Policy (N.E.P.), my father had 50 hectares of land. He had a thresher, a tractor, hor-ses, cows, [...]
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Ms. MAZURKEVICH: You said that the police would check to see if the meat being sold was human or if it was dog meat Do you know of anyone that was arrested for selling human flesh? Mr. KEIS: Every day I would go to work through a marketplace and almost every other day the police [...]
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Usually, the trains continued on without stopping, and no one came to the aid of these starving children, who were dying in agony. I once happened to see the police take away two large baskets containing newborn infants, which they had picked up on the streets. The starving mothers who had given them birth were [...]
Ms. BUTKOVSKA: In the schools no one knew. The situation in schools was a very ticklish one because the children who went to the town schools were themselves half hungry and the teachers were obligated to say that everything was just fine. They would be asked by the pupils, “Why, if it is all fine, [...]
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Senator DeCONCINI: Thank you very much for your testimony. Dr. SAMILENKO-TSVETKOV: With the permission of the witness, I will read the testimony of Nadia Harmash. TESTIMONY OF MS. NADU HARMASH OF SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA At the end of 1931 and throughout the year 1932, I resided in the city of Dnipropetrovsk. When I got married [...]
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STATEMENT OF MR. WILLIAM KREWSUN OF SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA But, from the very beginning, I would like to thank United States Senate and Chair¬man, Senator DeConcini, and Commissioners for raising this issue so that more people know what happened in 20th century that never happened any place ever before Com¬munists came to power continues today. [...]
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The picture of hunger was the same in Poltava as it was in the other cities in the Uk¬raine at that time. This is the main aspect of my testimony. Senator DeCONCINI: Thank you very much. Mr. PYLYPENKO: I had a wife and two children and received 200 grams of bread a day. We also [...]
Commissioners, do you have any questions of the witnesses? Thank you very much. Let’s proceed and see if we can’t finish. Next is Mrs. Tetiana Kysil. TESTIMONY OF MS. TETIANA KYSIL OF PHOENIX, ARIZONA I was bom in Poltavshchyna. I left the village of my birth in 1932. I was 13 years old. I worked [...]
Senator DeCONCINI: I do want to thank you, Dr. Tsvetkov, again, for the outstand¬ing work you’ve provided for the Commission, the translation, and the orderly manner as well as Dr. Mace, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen. (Whereupon, the hearing was adjourned at 4:10 p.m.)
HEARING AND MEETING The commission met at 10:35 a.m. Wednesday, April 30,1987 Rayburn House Office Building, Room 2359 Washington, D.C.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: HON. DANIEL A. MICA, Chairman HON. WILLIAM BROOMFIELD AMBASSADOR EUGENE DOUGLAS MR. BOHDAN FEDORAK HON. BENJAMIN GILMAN HON. DENNIS HERTEL DR. MYRON KUROPAS MR. DANIEL MARCHISHIN MS. ULANA MAZURKEVICH MS. ANASTASIA VOLKER DR. OLEH WERES OTHERS PRESENT: I DR. JAMES E. MACE, Staff Director DR. OLGA SAMILENKO-TSVETKOV, Staff Assistant and Interpreter/Translator MR. WALTER [...]
PROCEEDINGS Congressman HERTEL: Good morning. We’ll call the Commission meeting to order. I thank all the members for being here this morning. I realize how busy their schedules are and am very sorry about the delay. The House is trying to finish some legislation today and so they had a vote on the Journal at [...]
My parents, apparently realizing that their ‘God will provide’ threatened to diminish their authority in my eyes, one day let in a boy who was both cold and hungry. They fed him and warmed him up. The next day, the boy left our dwelling to continue his quest for bread. Some time after that, I [...]
In Western Ukraine at this time, there was still active resistance to Soviet rule. At the time of renewed occupation, it was easy to create issues around the new famine and new deportations. The retribution against the farmers in Ukraine had barely been completed when the Stalinist regime pronounced an end to the rationing. This [...]
When people heard about this, they went around concealing their smirks to show their disbelief that the government was making a show of being worried about the selection of food when there was no food anywhere. Congressman HERTEL: Thank you very much. Any other comments you’d like to make at this time? Dr. STROKATA (through [...]
Congressman HERTEL: As an assumption could we say that, without a number, a lot of people in the Ukraine do know about the famine and very few people outside of the Ukraine know about the famine? , Dr. STROKATA (through interpreter): When one generation succeeds another, it s a normal process to have the young [...]
in which it was included would culminate in the destruction of the Bolshevik system in the Ukraine. And my parents hoped that perhaps I didn’t have to go to school in Soviet schools, which turned children into conformists. But because it turned out that Moscow suc¬ceeded in squelching the resistance in Ukraine, it actually safeguarded [...]
Congressman MICA: Will the gentlelady suspend a moment? The House has a vote on. I guess the other members have already had to leave. But I would just like to interject this comment I commend the Commission for the work they’re doing and our staff. They’ve done nearly 180,200 oral interviews already and the work [...]
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thing hidden underground, they would make a different noise. And if they found these things, forget it, that man was finished. They warned every farmer, “Don’t do that” But some farmers tried to save their families by hiding food. Dr. MACE: Who led-this procurement brigade in your village, who led it? You mentioned that a [...]
Mr. Kononenko, thank you very much for your testimony. We will proceed now to the business portion of our meeting. Mr. KONONENKO: Thanks so much for listening to me. I feel something has been contributed for human society all over the world. Thank you. Ms. MAZURKEVICH: Thank you. Jim, you’re going to lead the discussion [...]
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have half a loaf of bread sitting on the stove, you take that too. Clearly, this was not an attempt to merely procure produce for the state, but very quickly assumed a markedly punitive character on the part of those who carried it out The school teachers were, I think, the most tragic of all [...]
mission work that the Commissioners arc most familiar with, since we attended, the majority of them. I was wondering if, perhaps, we could ask Dr. Mace to just sum¬marize that part of his report and concentrate more on the diplomatic dispatches of the progress of the Commission’s report which are matters that we are not [...]
Congressman GILMAN: I might mention that at the Glen Spey hearing, there was some good coverage locally but nothing in the New York metropolitan papers, and we were hoping that we would have picked up something in the New York metropolitan papers. But, for the southern part of New York State, we had some good [...]
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Dr. KUROPAS: I, from the very beginning, have felt that one of the major roles of our Commission would be to make the American educational system aware of the famine, as quickly as possible, and to that end, with the help of the staff, we were able to put together this Curriculum and Resource Guide [...]
Dr. KUROPAS: The one thing that I would suggest to you, if you do it on the scale that we did it in Chicago, it really helps to have a non-Ukrainian group be the major sponsor. We were able to go in Chicago to the American Jewish Committee, and they agreed to sponsor the seminar [...]
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state say that this is something they want in all the schools, there is a greater likelihood that textbook publishers will begin to write about it. Mr. MARCHISHIN: I just wanted to ask as far as the teachers, I’m not familiar with teachers’ operations either, but do I have the wrong impression, but that up [...]
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Dr. MACE: Yes. Well, obviously, the first part, which will be the last to be written, will be the Executive Summary, which can be anywhere from two pages to 100 pages. It win probably be about 15 to 20 pages. That’s extremely important That’s what gets read, that’s the basic findings of the Commission. The [...]
So, that’s going to be available, I hope, in the near future. I apologize because we are way behind schedule on that But, hopefully, that will be available in the next few months, at least for calendar year 1986. Dr. WERES: What about these diplomatic dispatches, this sort of documentation? Dr. MACE: Again, as annexes [...]
Ms. MAZURKEVICH: So, how many are in the English language? Dr. MACE: I think we have two that are in the English language. Ms. MAZURKEVICH: That’s it? Dr. MACE: That’s it Ms. MAZURKEVICH: Two in the English language. Dr. MACE: Yes. We may have a few more. Ms. MAZURKEVICH: Well, we have to have more. [...]
Dr. WERES: May I make a suggestion. Even though I’m not familiar with the body of the oral testimony that Sue Ellen collected, I would expect that there is a fair amount of redundancy between that documentation and the hearing testimony. Dr. MACE: True. Dr. WERES: Perhaps, it would be possible to arrange the publication [...]
Dr.MACE: Yes. Dr. KUROPAS: So, it would be something that would add credibility to everything we’ve been saying. Ms. VOLKER: A question. Therefore, $50,000 would be worthwhile to have that material in English available to future reporters, whatever, and certainly, wouldn’t that lead to the extension of the Commission beyond our limited time so the [...]
edited, and then put into a desk-top publisher, and then that would be rearranged so it can be printed easily. So, you will cut costs there. But, the translation in itself will be very expensive. Ms. MAZURKEVICH: But, some of the-how many testimonies have you transcribed so far? Dr. MACE: Transcribed? We have about 130 [...]
would be a little better because then you’d have some market value here, and the likelihood of more people reading it Dr. MACE: Yes, that’s very possible. In fact, since one of the inevitable things about our mandate is that I will be unemployed in a year and will have to do some¬thing, that is, [...]
Dr. MACE: Which means- Mr. MARCHISHIN: And, how about universities? This would include universities? Dr. MACE: Yes, most-Mr. MARCHISHIN: libraries? Dr. MACE: -of the repositories of government documents are universities. Most major universities are officially designated as repositories of government documents. Mr. MARCHISHIN: And, it also includes public libraries, I assume? Dr. MACE: We can [...]
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lifetime of the Commission. We’re not going to get these incorporated into the textbooks in a year, or two years, or five years. We may get a couple of them within five years. Ms. MAZURKEVICH: You know what we should do? We should plan an all-day meeting some time in the near future, because these [...]
Mr. MARCHISHIN: I’ve been trying to think about commemorating the famine, and we don’t have a date of commemorating the famine. I don’t believe we have a kind of official date for commemorating the famine. And, you know, the Holocaust, they have a date. The Armenian genocide, they have a date. Somehow there should be [...]
Mr. MARCHISHIN: Well, it would be worthwhile. I think it might be interesting to see if the Ukrainian Helsinki members, how they reacted to his recommendation. You know, I think— Dr. KUROPAS: Jim, this is something that we can discuss at a business meeting that we are going to have in Detroit I’d like to [...]
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Dr.KUROPAS: All right Does anybody have anything they’d like to ask? Dr. WERES: Yes, there is still a question dangling about things in the nature of scholarly publications resulting from this and, basically, what are the, you know, major advances to the branch of the Ukrainian history that have been made here on the work [...]
As to money, we’ve spent about $100,000, which means that at our current rate we 11 run out of money about two years after our mandate. Dr. WERES: Well, Dr. Mace, I think you’ve just accomplished what’s never been accomplished in this town before. Usually it works the opposite way from the ex¬perience. Dr. MACE: [...]
Dr. WERES: Myron, on that subject, well, at the risk of offending Ms. Volker, could we do that in Chicago rather than Detroit? It would mean one additional public member traveling, you know, other than the other way, but it’s Chicago – Dr.KUROPAS: Well, two, because – Dr. WERES: Yes, but then you don’t travel [...]
Dr. KUROPAS: Yes. We have a motion from the -Dr. WERES: Second. Dr. KUROPAS: Okay. This meeting is now adjourned. (Whereupon, the meeting was adjourned at 2:09 p.m.).
HEARING The commission met at 10:30 a.m. Friday, June 5,1987 Superior Court of Pennsylvania, Courtroom 3, Chestnut and 9th Streets Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: HON. BENJAMIN GILMAN, Chairman MS. ULANA MAZURKEVICH, MS. ANASTASIA VOLKER ALSO PRESENT: DR. JAMES. E. MACE, Staff Director DR. OLGA SAMILENKO-TSVETKOV, Staff Assistant and Interpreter/Translator WITNESSES PRESENT: MR. IWAN ZINCZENKO MR. YURI MR.DANYLO MR. NICHOLAS CHYMYCH MR. IVAN ORZHANSKY MS. ANNA P. MS. MARGARITA BORZAKIVSKA MS. LARYSA DONCHUK MS.LYDIA A.
PROCEEDINGS Congressman GILMAN: Ladies and gentlemen, our hearing on our Famine Com¬mission will come to order, and I welcome you to our hearing. I would like to first introduce to you our Commission member who sits to my left, Anastasia Volker of Detroit, and the Commission member who sits to my right, Ulana Mazurkevich of [...]
The continued Soviet denial of what occurred in the Ukraine, a strategy of denial which began with the seizure of crops and which continues to this day, also tells us much about the techniques of denial and disinformation which are still routinely employed by totalitarian governments. I would also like to take this opportunity to [...]
Dr. ROSEN: I just want to say that one of the purposes is to see that the school dis¬tricts receive the information and include it in their curriculum, and that certainly, I will do everything possible to do so; because what we call-it really is not even collec¬tive victimization. If s collective murder and, unfortunately, [...]
The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin and Trotsky, aided by Ukrainian Communists, defeated the army of the Ukrainian National Republic (U.N.R.). First they destroyed the big landowners who had from fifty to one hundred and more hectares of land. The majority of these landowners were shot, except for those who managed to escape abroad. This was [...]
dustrialization could they achieve from the half glass of corn which they took from my neighbor? In the winter of 1932-33 all the villagers in my village got from the village Soviet a list of what and how much had to be given to the state. Everyone was treated the same and repeatedly had to [...]
We children spent the entire summer of 1932-33 on the stove, while mother, like a bird, would bring us anything she could find. In May of 1933 my sister, and I went to the meadows outside the town to collect sorrel, and came upon one house. We saw that it was empty. Snakes were even [...]
Congressman GILMAN: They resisted the collectivization. Mr. ZINCZENKO: Yeah. My village had not belonged to a landlord, a member of the gentry. In Ukraine there were villages where the Russian tsar would send some general, and he would oversee the land and people; but my village was not one of these. Congressman GILMAN: Excuse me. [...]
Mr, ZINCZENKO: Yes. And they sent them to Siberia. At the time of the famine, my grandfather lived with us in Popivka, but my father lived in Donbas. He was—I don’t know how you would say it— Dr. SAMILENKO-TSVETKOV: A strong middle peasant Mr. ZINCZENKO: Yes. Another category was the poor peasant who was much [...]
Congressman GILMAN: The collective farms weren’t too good at that time? I’m going to ask if our fellow Commissioners, Ms. Mazurkevich, Anastasia— Ms. VOLKER: Anastasia is fine. Yes, I have a question. I did not quite under¬stand your statement on the involvement of the priest in your village. Was the priest one of the villagers [...]
TESTIMONY OF MR. YURI OF PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA At the end of the summer of 1930,1 was six-and-a-half years old. We lived in the city of Donetsk, formerly Stalino. My father decided to visit his family in the village of Hiunivtsi, which was part of the Bulgarian colony in the south of Ukraine in Tavriches-ky Province [...]
This it what had become of the farm products and possessions of the farmer which had once been valued so highly. Congressman GILMAN: Thank you. Mr. Yuri, is that your statement that you gave to the staff? Mr. YURI: Yes. Congressman GILMAN: It’s been translated, and we’ll make that part of our record. Mr. Yuri, [...]
tory which was manufacturing agricultural machinery, and he was general manager over there. So he asked me if I wanted to-at this time I was nine-and-a-half years old. He asked me if I wanted to go and see the factory. So I was glad, you know, and he took me around and showed me everything. [...]
The next witness is Mr. Danylo. I would like to note the presence today also of one of our other Commission member’s representatives. Congressman Hertel is repre¬sented today by Greg Hawkins, who has joined us during the hearing. We thank you for participating today. Mr. Danylo, would you please raise your right hand (Whereupon, Mr. [...]
Congressman GILMAN: Thank you, Mr. Danylo, for your statement Mr. Danylo, did you live on a farm during this time at all? Mr. DANYLO: Yes. Congressman GILMAN: Was that the family farm? Mr. DANYLO: Yes, family farm. Congressman GILMAN: Were you raising -what were you raising on this farm? Mr. DANYLO (through interpreter): Many different [...]
Mr. DANYLO (through interpreter): You returned to the village where your parents were living after your prison sentence. Is that correct? Mr. DANYLO: Yes. Congressman GILMAN: What village was that? Mr.DANYLO (through interpreter): Zazulie. Congressman GILMAN: In what part of the Ukraine is Zazulie? Mr. DANYLO (through interpreter): In the Poltava region. Congressman GILMAN: When [...]
statement If we have time, well try to put you on the list of witnesses today. If you’d like to be a witness, please let one of our staff people know, but in order to have an or¬derly process, please withhold comments. Mr. Mace. Dr. MACE: Was it possible for individuals to live in the [...]
TESTIMONY OF MR. NICHOLAS CHYMYCH OF PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA At the time of the famine I was living in town but had a sister who still lived in my native village of Verhuny. From her I discovered there was a famine in the villages, but it was impossible to either send food or take food to [...]
Congressman GILMAN: Thank you for your statement, Mr. Chymych. Mr. Chymych, is that your full name? Mr. CHYMYCH (through interpreter): Yes, it is. I would gladly answer any ques¬tions. Congressman GILMAN: I’ll be pleased to discuss the statement with you. Mr. Chymych, where in the Ukraine was your village located? What part of the Ukraine? [...]
Mr. CHYMYCH (through interpreter): They were all dekulakized but in several dif¬ferent ways. Some people had their land property taken away from them but could live in villages. Other people had their property taken away but were transported to another village but not outside of the territory of the Ukraine. Still other people were considered [...]
Mr. CHYMYCH (through interpreter): I worked in a chemical factory where I did in fact get plenty of food Because the work that I did involved the manufacture of chlorine which was considered dangerous, I was given good food, including a liter of milk a day. Ms. VOLKER: The question: could he share that with [...]
Mr. CHYMYCH (through interpreter): I cannot say this in one word. I need an hour. Many, many different kinds of methods. I was neither a Party member nor a member of the Youth League. Because I was not a member of the Komsomol Youth League or the Communist Party, I could get around many of [...]
We now have a time problem. We’re supposed to wind up our hearing by one o’clock, and we still have four witnesses. So I’m going to ask if we can limit each wit¬ness, since there’s forty minutes left, to about a ten minute period of time. And I call the next witness, Ivan Oransky. Ivan [...]
agriculture, to get rid of private capitalist property, and to make society fortunate and socialist The wounds of the people healed slowly. In 1937 during summer vacation my father, and I stopped in front of a house in the village of Prokhorivka located on the Dnieper River. The windows and the doors were boarded up [...]
Mr. ORANSKY (through interpreter): The city was very much differentiated in terms of who got food and who did not get food. There were people who belonged to the Party, the civil servants and people like that There were many factories and in¬dustrial plants in Kharkiv, and the workers who worked the hardest physically received [...]
Congressman GILMAN: Would you please read the statement. TESTIMONY OF MS. ANNA P. I was born and lived in the Kirovohrad region of Ukraine. In my village, people began to be arrested in 1931, and many people disappeared. Not long thereafter people began to flee the village. All that were finally left were the aged [...]
Congressman GILMAN: And did you live on a farm in that village? Ms. P. (through interpreter)! Everybody had their own private plot of land and fanned that plot Congressman GILMAN: And you were farming at that time? Ms, P. (through interpreter): There was some discussion about what we mean by farm. So it was much [...]
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